Well, that took less time than I gave them credit for. Between their deluded sense of righteous indignation, arrogant sense of moral superiority, and, in some cases, irrational anger, you had to see the majority of this, well, mob in the making breaking down and turning into a screaming, angry mob working off of their own mindless stupidity. I actually gave them some credit early on though. I thought that they’d have gotten through at least mid-June before reaching this level of arrogant, mindless stupidity and juvenile, driveling nonsense.
Perfect examples of that sense of righteous indignation and arrogant sense of moral superiority as well as a dash of arrogant, mindless stupidity all come in the form of one of the latest Boycott Brigade bandwagon members. That would be one Mr. Steve Niles. Now, I happen to like Steve Niles and I also have some acquaintances in common with him who may well get pissed off by some of my comments, but, so be it.
Niles decides to weigh in on the subject of the boycott and attempts to boil it down to the simplest terms possible. The problem with that is that this is not a simple matter. This is a very complicated matter with a long history, a lot of details, and a small ton of misinformation (at this point mostly from the Boycott Brigade) put out around it.
And how you view the information and facts of the last (almost) 13 years as well as how you come to a decision based on the information and facts of the last (almost) 13 years is likely going to be dependent on a lot of factors. For me, one of the major factors is a career in law enforcement and the related familiarity that has given me with courts ranging from local courts and all the way up to the State Supreme Court. As a result of that background, I look at the things that were done by the legal system down there in the first ten or so years of this and just end up doing a facepalm of utter astonishment. I look at all of the facts and I see a legal system that failed utterly in its job.
I’ve also looked at the claims of the Boycott Brigade with regards to what Dragon*Con has supposedly paid Ed Kramer “per year” in dividends on the shares he owns and have found that their claims don’t stand up to fact checking or basic Business 101 level information. I also, based on a functional knowledge of the legal system, tend to find their primary claim of Kramer being able to avoid justice based on these dividends (high five figure to low six figure payments each year on the years he actually got a payment) to be ridiculous. Combine that with looking at the history that Collins has with regards to this matter, a history littered with example after example of questionable and factcheck failing claims and statements, and some flat out reprehensible actions and I lean quite heavily towards not boycotting Dragon*Con.
Now, others may go a different way on the matter. I both know and know of people who do ranging from just regular people to potential guests. I have no problem with many of these people. They understand the complicated nature of this and they’re respectful on the matter of disagreeing. And I can certainly respect their reasons given for not going. Some state that they just don’t know enough on the matter yet and want to take a pass this year while looking into the matter in more detail. Others state that they just don’t feel comfortable going until the matter is settled. And, even more so than their reasons, I can respect them. They’re actually looking at this like adults and looking at a complicated issue with a long and complicated history and accepting the fact that people with different backgrounds, life experiences, and different levels of knowledge in certain areas based on those all of those things might look at all of the facts and come away with differing opinions on the matter. They can make a choice for themselves and not feel the need act like, well, ignorant jackasses with a moral superiority complex.
Steve Niles is not one of these people.
Niles decided to post his thoughts on the matter and decided to pepper them with a not inconsiderable amount of a sense of unwarranted righteous indignation and an arrogant sense of moral superiority as well as a nice helping of arrogant, mindless stupidity; a quite amazing amount in fact given the short nature of the post.
Niles also posted a link to his post on his Facebook page. When posting there, a place where there’s ample opportunity to discuss and debate, he made it clear that it was not being posted to be discussed and debated. Not surprising. One of the first signs that someone knows that their position is a weak one is when they step up, comment on a complicated situation with a complicated history and a large novel’s worth of details to look over and declare that there really is just no other opinion on it but theirs and there just is no debating their opinion on it. And on this matter, at least according to Niles, we should all just blindly accept the Gospel of Nancy as the unquestioned facts, despite what reality has said to the contrary, and accept and live by the moral decrees of Saint Niles.
Oh, and he decides to be a really insulting prick about it.
Apparently Niles felt that being an insulting prick was necessary in order to fit in with the big boys at the Boycott Brigade. After all, that has been the SOP of so many of them. You have the many anonymous internet posters in various forums who can’t go more than two posts before running out of intelligent points and resorting to name calling. You have Don Murphy who can’t make even make it past a single post without resorting to name calling or accusing anyone who won’t support the boycott of being pedophiles themselves. You have favored pet parrot of the movement, Tim Lieder/marlowe1, who thinks it’s clever to declare such intelligent things as Peter David’s stroke being a punishment from God and wishing painful death upon Peter for not being a boycott supporter. And, of course, you have Nancy herself and her occasional attempt to try and be clever with her insults but instead come off looking like a mentally and emotionally stunted teenager.
So you can understand Niles feeling a need to ratchet up the prickish nature of his personality for his post. He probably feels that the Boycott Brigade won’t let him run with the cool kids if he doesn’t act the part of the prick and display an amazing level of arrogance and indignation in his presentation.
See, if you don’t accept the Gospel of Nancy as unquestioned fact and don’t accept and live by the moral decrees of Saint Niles, you’re disgusting and both Dragon*Con and you are a horrible scar on fandom that makes Niles himself and the smugly superior who do accept the Gospel of Nancy and live by the moral decrees of Saint Niles ashamed to be a fan.
Niles then leaves the realm of they who have their deluded sense of righteous indignation and the arrogant sense of moral superiority and quickly enters into the realm of arrogant, mindless stupidity. He also manages to show that he hasn’t got the first clue about what’s actually going on in regards to this matter by making the following statements.
“[I]t’s time for Dragon*Con to grow a pair, step up to the plate and do what’s right. New con. Same city. Done.”
Yeah… Nice of him to put up a giant neon sign over his head with the word “CLUELESS” written across it in flashing letters like that. Let’s have just a quick recap of basic facts.
Problem #1 – Kramer has litigation against DragonCon/Ace Inc. going on right now. Some aspects of it have been settled, but some of it is still technically in the active phase. By Georgia law, a business can’t dissolve itself with active or pending litigation against it. And if you’re suggesting that they not dissolve and just start a new con; you’re an idiot. It’s not the convention that Kramer still owns shares in; it’s the company.
Problem #2 – And this is a big one for the supposed goal that you claim is in fact your goal. You’ve swallowed the nice talking point that his dividends have funded his ability to avoid justice for going on thirteen years now hook, line and sinker. You’ve also apparently swallowed the exaggerated numbers that he has, according to the Boycott Brigade, received “per year” from those dividends. Okay…
Let’s give you the most exaggerated numbers and the most exaggerated total for what he has supposedly received overall. Your supposed stand is that you want to defund his ability to pay for his legal defense. Ignoring the fact that the man had made quite a pretty penny before his arrest to lean on early on, had numerous sources of revenue other than his shares through the mid ‘00s, and actually has other sources of annual income right now and that he would still have legal representation even if he had not one single dime; it’s obvious you haven’t given three full seconds of thought to your position.
Go ahead and (ignoring the realities of Georgia business law for a moment) dissolve DragonCon/Ace Inc. and shutter the operation after this year’s con. Do you, Steve, have any concept of what your solution hands to Kramer? Keeping it simple; the business assets would be liquidated and distributed out to the shareholders based on the percentages that each shareholder owns. Without a 2014 Dragon*Con to spend money on or to convert 2013 profits into investment capital for, every red cent that 2013’s Dragon*Con finally makes goes into that sum. In short, your solution to defund Kramer would give him a lump payment that would likely dwarf any annual payments he’s been getting as dividends from his shares.
Good thinking there, Steve.
But you don’t have to worry about that. It would likely never reach that stage. I’m assuming that you know enough about the matter to know that Kramer likes to file frivolous complaints and suits. DragonCon/Ace Inc. dissolving in order to start a new convention in the same city would end up with Kramer filing a lawsuit. They’ve been trying to fully buy him out or force him out going about eight or nine years now. That’s in part what he’s launched the lawsuits over. He feels that he’s being defrauded and conned out of what’s rightly his.
In all likelihood, he sues to hold the process up based on this being, in his view, just another continued attempt to screw him out of what’s his and to continue the fraud he claims that he’s been the victim of. He might not win that one. Actually, he would most likely lose that one. But depending on when he launches the suit, one of two things happen.
A) He launches the suit early enough to stop the process completely. Tricky to do and goofy as hell, but something that Kramer seems the type to try doing. DragonCon/Ace Inc. now has litigation against it again and cannot dissolve. It’s also, in your world, no longer putting on a convention. There’s no revenue coming in while money is being spent on lawyers and lawsuits and the clock is ticking.
B) He waits until he gets his nice payment that you so desperately want to fund him with and then sues his former partners as they attempt to start up a new convention. This could also end up meaning that there’s no convention, no revenue coming in while money is being spent on lawyers and lawsuits and the clock is ticking. That clock bit will become more relevant later.
Now, there is however an option on the horizon that’s looking pretty doable. You just have no desire to let the legal system down there finally do what it’s supposed to do.
See, the legal system down there has finally gotten its shit together and is acting like it actually wants this man on trial instead of just saying it does while approving bond after bond, allowing unmonitored house arrests with no actual oversight, and bowing down to his every complaint and request while basically letting him flip them the bird and telling them to kiss his ass. If he faces trial, he gets convicted. He’s guilty and, barring the prosecution completely screwing it up, the most likely outcome is a guilty verdict. At that point, DragonCon/Ace Inc. has the ability to divest themselves of him. They could have also done the same by now had there been a civil verdict against him, but, for whatever reason, the victims have seen fit to not seek a civil case against Kramer despite the decade-plus of stalling in the criminal case.
Now, I’m sure that Niles knows this stuff plus all the other details of the last decade plus of this farce. I’m sure that he made an effort to know the facts around the case before speaking on the matter rather than just accepting the hearsay and wading in like an uninformed drone.
But then, even more fun, Niles doubles down on the stupid in a big way with the following.
“So you don’t think I’m just blathering off, I have been in a situation like this.”
That raised an eyebrow. I seem to have missed the news about Niles owning and running a company that ran even a small convention; let alone a major multi-media convention that brings in over 50,000 people to its hometown.
Oh, he hasn’t.
“A few years back I did several books for a major publisher. One day I turn on the news and bang, the artist had been arrested for distribution of child pornography. I didn’t bitch and whine about how it affected me. Instead we all agreed it was best for those books to go away.”
Yeah… Maybe I should have said quadruples down on the stupid instead.
Apparently, asking a publisher to pull a book from publication is exactly like dissolving an entire company and dissolving a company that runs a major convention is just as simple and easy as having a book pulled from the shelf.
A slight digression first to fill in some blanks for those who might not already know about this as Niles leaves them empty by providing no details when citing his grand sacrifice. What Steve says was done was little more than what publishers do every day anyhow. The book in question was a six issue mini-series for DC Comic’s Creeper. Original issues had already gone out of print and it had gone to trade paperback in 2007. The artist, Justiniano, was arrested in 2010. I’d hazard a guess that a three year old TPB had passed its peak earning days and, while still probably selling, wasn’t burning down the sales charts and may well have been not long for print at that point anyhow. Hell, you can still find a lot of new copies sitting around online through a number of booksellers, so it’s ability to sell out was long gone by then.
Niles saying that he’s “been there” by citing the Creeper artist situation is a bit like a mall security guard telling a group of cops discussing holding the line in a full scale riot that he’s “been there” and citing the eight person food court fight that he once had to break up. Anyhow…
The obvious first flaw with his analogy is that a book is not a business. Steve Niles is essentially the business and the book is the product. Niles pulled a product from the shelves while having still others out there and keeping the business of Steve Niles intact. DragonCon/Ace Inc. is a business and when you shutter it it’s gone.
A book doesn’t have multi-year contracts with multiple businesses that it would be breaking if the business owners just decided to up and dissolve the company. DragonCon/Ace Inc. does in fact have multiple contracts with multiple businesses that it would be breaking if it just up and dissolved. And one would think, just based on basic business knowledge, that a company choosing to break contracts because it wanted to rather than, say, because of bankruptcy forcing them to might just find itself on the hook for those contracts and maybe facing litigation over them.
Now, there is something that the two things do have in common. They both have, in essence, a publisher that they have to deal with. Niles got lucky. He apparently had a good relationship with the publisher and the book in question was not an A-Ticket attraction TPB at that point. As a result, they granted his wish that the book be pulled. However, had it been like Alan Moore’s works (V for Vendetta, Watchmen, etc.) still being printed and published by DC… Well, Niles could complain until he was blue in the face and as bitter as Moore and the books would likely still be on the shelf.
DragonCon/Ace Inc. also has a “publisher” of sorts that it has to deal with as well. That publisher is called Georgia’s corporate laws. They’re not quite as lucky because of that. See, right now, as mentioned above, those laws say that DragonCon/Ace Inc. has to keep its Watchman on the shelf. Aspects of those laws impact other things here as well. For example…
I wonder what it costs Niles to start a new comic story. What, a few hours of time here and there during a month maybe? A few bucks towards the electric bill each month for computer time? I’m sure that cost, whatever it is, is just exactly the same as starting up a major new convention. And certainly that cost is just the same when you add in the lawsuits that Kramer would file for trying to pull what he would likely claim was fraud and from the many businesses that DragonCon/Ace Inc. broke contracts with.
Remember that clock ticking comment above?
I wonder how much time Niles is required to wait before starting on a new story for a comic or graphic novel when he pulls one off of the shelf. Is he required to wait a week? Is he required to wait a month? Is he required to wait an entire year before starting to write a new story after having one pulled off of the shelf? Hell, does he wait at all or does he likely already have a new one in the works? DragonCon/Ace Inc. closes the convention and voluntarily dissolves the business, breaks various contracts and reneges on various deals that it’s in and, as I’m sure Niles knows from looking into the facts so as not to be speaking from a position of ignorance, then has to wait at least one to two years to start up again as an identical business. And, again, you would likely see lawsuits that would be coming from Kramer and from the many businesses that DragonCon/Ace Inc. broke contracts and deals with while they’re sitting there with no new convention and no new revenue.
The outcome that Niles and others are pushing for is the end of the convention and of any other convention like it from the current members of the board of DragonCon/Ace Inc. But, of course, this is likely the real point of the crusade.
Nancy’s past actions and statements made me initially suspect that her call for boycott had less to do with justice for the victims and seeing Kramer face justice and more to do with a little ax grinding, score settling, tending to the grudges she’s been nursing for the last decade-plus and, maybe, fanning the flames of controversy to create buzz and set herself up for another stab at cashing in on the suffering of the victims with her tabloid book idea. I’m now even more certain that my initial gut reaction was correct.
See, that’s where the comments from the Boycott Brigade have been going recently. Many of them, some with Nancy cheerleading them on, make it clear that their goal is destroying the convention and the people currently running it; maybe even a goal of far more importance to some of them than justice for the victims. And it’s not just the anonymous internet posters going that direction with it. No, it’s some of the pros that Nancy has embraced into the cause as well. One of them, Tony Isabella, even recently titled his first real comments of the matter ‘DRAGON*CON DIES AT THE END’ and ‘DRAGON*CON STILL DIES AT THE END’.
And as we head into this direction and the, for lack of better words, “logic” and “reasoning” of the Boycott Brigade, we find ourselves swimming into the truly deep waters of The Stupid. I mean, these waters are so deep into The Stupid that they make the comments by Niles and some others look like a dissertation by Stephen Hawking. And those waters are confidently owned here by Nancy A. Collins and Tony Isabella.
We’ll start with Tony first.
One thing that was interesting while reading his blog posts was that other things that Tony has written started going through my head. Years ago, along with Bob Ingersoll, Peter David, Mark Evanier and others, Tony wrote a column for the weekly Comic Buyers Guide. A particular theme got started one time, either from a column or an editorial, about bad fan stories.
Now, these weren’t stories about bad fans. These were stories that fans were telling, almost always 100% false, of extremely negative natures about pros, events, conventions, etc. Various writers talked about it and offered up examples of stories told as absolute gospel by adamant fans, some claiming to have been firsthand witnesses to the events in question, of things that absolutely could not have occurred.
One of the hilarious examples that stuck in my head was of the several writers who saw in person at conventions or on bulletin boards a number of fans bragging about putting one particular pro in his place. See, this guy thought he was a major badass because of the badass stuff he was writing and the macho characters he was handed to bring to four-color life. These fans talked about how they had gotten into it with this guy, backed him down and put him in his place.
The reason that the stories were funny was because there was an obvious tell that each and every storyteller was absolutely full of it and that the closest that any of these bold men of action had ever got to this writer was looking at the credits of Marvel’s then current books. The man being discussed was Jo Duffy; full name being Mary Jo Duffy. If you haven’t worked out the funny bit about the tall tale tellers, Jo is a woman and a woman who is in absolutely no way likely to be mistaken for a man either up close or far away; especially back then.
The general consensus amongst the writers at the time was, among other things, that when you deliberately opened the door for bad fan stories you were going to get them. As a matter of fact, you would almost get a competition for the worst bad fan story. Every single one would be presented as the gospel truth, but almost every single one would ultimately be false.
And Tony knows that to be true. And that is just one of the reasons that what he wrote is so sadly pathetic and laughable.
Two of the things that make his posts hilarious are the utter irrelevance of much of what he talks about and the fact that he basically admits that he doesn’t really know all that much about the situation. He mentions that he’s heard stuff over the years, but he really hasn’t bothered to keep up or find anything out. He excuses both of these two things by declaring that his blog isn’t investigative reporting, that he doesn’t like Dragon*Con and that there’s a clear moral issue at hand here.
Gee, I can’t see anything wrong with that attitude. He just basically declares that he doesn’t really know all of the facts, that he has no interest in learning the facts, and that this attitude is okay because he doesn’t like her anyway and, hey, he’s making a moral stand by joining the screaming mob in burning the witch.
Another of the other things that make his posts so hilarious are his personal recollections of his prior visit to Dragon*Con and how utterly irrelevant they are to anything that’s been going on. See, Tony hates Dragon*Con because the convention is just so sleazy. How is it sleazy?
According to Tony, he was at Dragon*Con and a young lady offered him sex in exchange for a place to sleep (Tony’s hotel room) while in the hotel elevator. Oh, and this girl was underage. Did Tony check her ID? No. He guesses, in the telling of the story, that she was “at best” 16.
Okay, that bit struck me as even more asinine than some of the rest of it. I could sit tony down in a room and send twenty young ladies in there one at a time. Half of them would be 16 and the others would be 21. Tony’s only job would be to tell which girl went into which group. Even without the stress and embarrassment that the incident caused; I’ll bet that Tony would get at least 50% of the answers wrong. Not a knock on Tony. It’s just a fact of life that just about anyone who has picture IDs handed to them as a part of their job (cops, bartenders, club doormen, etc.) will tell you. It’s questionable addition to an already pointless to the events story that’s there just to create a little extra “ick” to the narrative he wants to create.
And you have to wonder what in the hell that has to do with Dragon*Con as an event. It’s not like they had a “Proposition a Pro” Trak going on. Certainly there was never a “Sex Your Way into a Hotel Stay” panel held at Dragon*Con that I’m aware of. I’m assuming she was an attendee, but Tony never actually says so. And I’m pretty sure he would have led the story with the fact that she was convention staff had that been the case.
Hell, for all we, or Tony, know, she could well have been doing it as a joke on a dare. She could have been serious and just been a groupie for pros. A strange and rare concept, but not one that I’ve never heard of before and not something that’s isolated to any one convention.
He then follows that recollection with a story of spending an evening during the same stay wandering the hotel looking for some friends of his. As he wanders lost around a hotel, he encounters a sex slave auction. Or maybe he doesn’t. While stating that it was “pretty clearly” that, he then follows that sentence by stating that he didn’t actually know if it was real or not.
Neither of these two thing actually have anything to do with what’s going on right now. Further, they have nothing to do with Dragon*Con. I’m sorry, but anything that happens before the start of the convention day, after the close of the convention day, and is not found in the program guide is not an authorized, sanctioned, and organized Dragon*Con event. I can find stories and reports, actual news reports, of violence at SDCC. Hell, a guy in a Harry Potter shirt stabbed another convention goer in the face with a silver pen because of a fight over seats at a Resident Evil panel at SDCC just the other year.
You know, nothing says geek fight quite like a dude in a Potter shirt stabbing a silver pen into the face of someone at an RE panel. All that was missing was the claim that he thought the guy was actually a werewolf.
But anyone who takes that story and the others like it or the various blog posts and stories of wild times at SDCC and tries to paint a picture of the entire con based on them is a damned fool. Just like the damned fools here building their bullshit narrative about Dragon*Con.
A few people, even a few pro-boycott people, actually point out how irrelevant Tony’s tales are to the subject at hand both on his blog and on The Beat’s (comicsbeat.com) article quoting his stories. Tony doesn’t seem to have an answer for this until glomming onto one provided for him by someone else and declares it right on all counts.
“I would argue Isabella is highlighting the dysfunctional culture that Dragon-Con promotes. I would also argue that some of these responses promote that dysfunctional culture. Other conventions don’t seem to have these problems. A culture that supports a company because only 1/3 of it is owned by a pedophile is a culture that supports sexual abuse. I’m sorry, I just don’t see how it can be anything else.”
There are three problems with this. In reverse order –
3) This gentleman’s comments are complete and utter bullshit.
2) Not only does Dragon*Con not have these problems to even a tenth of the degree that the new marching order talking points of the Boycott Brigade try to make out that they do, but the fact is that you can find fans telling “horror” stories and drunken sex stories, true or not, about every convention when you open that door.
I know people who came back from SDCC and NYCC with tales of wild parties, drunken exploits, and very intense 30 minute relationships. Hell, there are two reasonably long Youtube videos of a guy at SDCC where he and his cameraman walk around drunk during the con, stop girl after girl, make comments about their breasts, ask if he can motorboat them, and ask them what costume the prefer a guy to wear into bed with them. And not only does he get answers and permission from a lot of SDCC attendees, but he’s apparently a regular.
I’ve been to smaller cons, 2,000 attendees or less, over the years up and down the east coast. If it’s a weekend long event in a hotel with a bar, my boring, nondrinking, and these days married ass is in bed early and waking up to what seems like easily a quarter of the attendees, guests and, sometimes, staff hung-over with more than a few tales of both failed and successful hookup attempts, both from attendees and guests, being discussed.
The simple fact is that if you’re single, out of town, on vacation, and in a party atmosphere, there’s a chunk of the population in general that looks at it as an opportunity to make merry. It’s not something that’s isolated to Dragon*Con attendees and it’s not even something that’s isolated to geek circles. I should know. I lived in the Tampa Bay area for four years and really learned to hate Spring Break and other like events and holidays.
A bunch of idiots trying to one-up each other’s twisted tales while also pretending that this is something unique to Dragon*Con just ends up looking like what it is. A bunch of idiots trying to one-up each other’s twisted tales while also pretending that this is something unique to Dragon*Con
But the big one on the list of problems is…
1) By Tony’s own account of the tale, this was 25 to 26 years ago.
Tony and the merry band of happy idiots are claiming that Tony’s tales from 25 to 26 years ago has anything to do with Dragon*Con and its attendees now. Right…
Even if we take Tony’s stories as the unvarnished truth, 100% accurate in all ways and not the least bit embellished or exaggerated; it was two-and-a-half decades ago.
Not only have certain things changed over the years at Dragon*Con itself, especially after Kramer lost control and Pat Henry took the reins, but time does tend to change things.
If we were talking about something else here, every person cheering Tony on would be calling him a drooling idiot. 25 years ago, Times Square was known for being a dump. There were porn shops and strip clubs all around it and many people who went to New York came back with tales of drunks pissing on the sides of buildings and prostitutes lined up as far as the eye can see. Okay, slight exaggeration on the prostitutes.
It’s not that way now. Or at least it’s nowhere near like that to the same degree. If Tony wrote a blog post talking about how he went to Times Square 25 years ago and saw a man taking a dump in the ally, a drunk pissing on a phone booth and getting propositioned by a hooker every five steps and cites that as to why he would never go today and/or why Times Square was a horrible place to go to today; people would call him an absolute idiot.
25 years changes a lot of things. Businesses that were the biggest thing going are gone. Businesses that barely anyone gave a chance to are some of the biggest things going today. People were talking about things 25 years ago that would be THE fill-in-the-blank of the future while having already forgotten about it just 20 years ago. Fads and pop culture influences on certain segments of the population that affected their actions have changed, mostly faded or gone away.
Hell, 25 years ago, Tony Isabella was a relevant name in discussions about writers in comics. And that’s not a dig at Tony by the way. That’s a regretful observation on an industry that doesn’t seem to have room for stories like his.
No matter what I think of the artist right now, the art ain’t the man. Tony was one of the select few who could write Black Lightning as a readable solo book. He also wrote what could have been one of the great classic, defining and influential Ghost Rider arcs had the payoff issue not been rewritten and redrawn at the orders of Jim Shooter in such a way as to utterly destroy the payoff and undo everything that Tony created in the prior parts of the two year arc. If you’re a fan of good comic stories, you should search out some of Tony’s old stuff. If he was still writing a book today, I’d be up to a whole four comic titles that I still read.
Tony then moves on and completely devolves insofar as intelligent discussion and observations on the matter. You remember the Jo Duffy bit from above? It comes into play here.
Tony then says that he opened that door. And what did he get? He got story after story that made his “horror hit a new level” as he read each new story. Now, the funny bit is that he admits, albeit briefly, that there’s just a bit of a likelihood that the vast majority of the stories may not be exactly reality based. Oddly, that doesn’t stop him from going on about them for several paragraphs and more or less making them a part of his lynchpin argument or parts of his follow up posts.
Gotta love it. What’s he going to do for an encore? Write a post where he says that the stories of his local vet drowning puppies in the lake down the street are probably all false and then spend another post-and-a-half explaining that these stories are why the vet needs to be shut down? Maybe he’ll join the next boycott call to go after KFC because the Colonel left instructions in his will to fund the KKK right after he blogs about it and points out that the occasionally popular urban legend isn’t true.
There’s another thing that’s absolutely laughable about what he writes is in the second of the three posts. He actually thanks everyone for their “respectful” postings to his first post on the subject. Certainly the posts from the few people who disagree with the boycott are pretty respectful. I guess he just decided to redefine the word in order to accommodate some of the pro-boycott posters on the board who contributed the following pearls of civility and wisdom.
“Life occasionally calls for using good judgment.
Grow the fuck up.”
“Meanwhile, people like you can continue in moral bankruptcy, but please shut the hell up because your rationales are as nauseating as they are redundant.”
“You can rationalize supporting DC and a child sex predator with such lunacy all you want, but for those who have a moral compass and are smart enough to see their money at work, it’s a very simple decision: DON’T FEED THE DRAGON.”
But then, maybe he just realizes that this is the closest to “respectful” or “intelligent” discourse that you’re going to get from the majority of the Boycott Brigade and he’s just grading their comments on the curve.
But Tony, no matter how hard he tried, can’t take the crown from the true champion of The Stupid in the last month or so of this. No, that crown, and apparently a nice tinfoil hat, rest safely and securely on the head of Nancy A. Collins. As bad as Tony came off to anyone who has actually followed the facts of this case for even a while, Nancy absolutely buried him in the competition this last month or so.
Nancy has pretty much made it clear here that she doesn’t care if what she says has any factual support behind it or not. Not that this comes off as an especially new trait to anyone familiar with her history in the long, strange, and stupid saga of Ed Kramer since his arrest and her little S.P. Somtow fiasco. But now she’s getting tin foily. That’s right, Nancy has entered the realm of the conspiracy theory.
See, Nancy has recently commented in several places, including a recent article about Kramer in The Beat, that Kramer has obviously had people in power down there protecting him all these years and explains that he’s not quite getting his way now because she suspects that these people are now gone. That’s why, in her tin foil hat world, we’ve seen the changes in how he’s being treated these days.
While I had some fun with this the other day, the truth is that this conspiracy pushing of hers is just retarded. And it’s made all the more so by the fact that she flat admits that she has zero evidence to cite when anyone asks for it. She’ll just push it because she thinks it creates a darker, more sinister tale about the situation that’s now filled with corrupt officials hell-bent on protecting the evil Kramer from justice.
Both quotes are from The Beat article “Dragon*Con Founder Ed Kramer files dozens of complaints from jail while looking extremely creepy” (linked in my prior post here.)
“Nancy A. Collins says:
04/22/2013 at 6:24 pm
Jon: I am of the opinion one reason Kramer has been able to avoid trial for so long is because someone relatively powerful in Georgia politics pulling strings on his behalf behind the scenes. Why someone would be willing to do something like that is anyone’s guess. Although it would appear whoever it may have been has either died, retired, been voted out of office, or simply decided Kramer was no longer worth the risk, judging from his current situation.”
Doesn’t make any sense and there’s nothing to be gained by her imaginary officials, but it sure sounds great when embellishing for the Boycott Brigade. Oh, and they’re all pedophiles down there according to Nancy.
“Nancy A. Collins says:
04/24/2013 at 3:53 pm
And I love how everyone rushing to dismiss the “conspiracy” theory that Kramer has benefited from some behind-the-scenes “juice” in order to stay out of a courtroom all these years assumes he doesn’t know/ have dirt on other pedophiles in the state of Georgia.”
Yeah… Do you get the idea that someone close to Nancy really needs to sit her down and talk to her about leaving the fiction writing for her books and maybe even looking into some professional help and medication? Me too. And this isn’t even her only conspiracy theory floated recently.
Nancy was on a recent Transmissions from Atlantis podcast (Episode #30 and on iTunes) to discuss the boycott. Now, it became painfully clear that the hosts knew very little about the history of the case or of many of the facts around it, and around Nancy’s less than stellar history with it. Nancy picked up on this rather early and it seemed to embolden her as the interview went on. Nancy, tinfoil hat firmly in place, then threw out a fact and followed it up with a fun bit of embellishment in the form of another idiotic conspiracy theory. It actually may have backfired a bit as well.
Nancy cited Kramer’s 1996 arrest for charges similar to his 2000 charges. She then declared, basically out of nowhere, that there was a cover up to protect Kramer and keep his and Dragon*Con’s secret out of the news. The hosts asked her who was involved in the cover up and where they can look it up and got ers and uhms before being told that she didn’t actually have any evidence of this and couldn’t prove it any of it.
But there was a cover-up damn it! Yeah, okay…
Oh, a big funny moment in the podcast was where she also basically said that the numbers she cites with regards to the dividend payments that Kramer gets are in fact based on Kramer’s claims on the matter in court. This is the same woman who will insult others for pointing out documented facts on the case that are not based on Kramer’s word and belittle them for being stupid enough to believe anything Kramer says. I guess it only makes you stupid in Nancy’s eyes when it doesn’t serve her narrative.
But as absolutely goofy as Tinfoil Hat Nancy is, she’s a freaking genius compared to Amateur Psychologist Nancy. See, Nancy, who hasn’t set foot in a Dragon*Con in almost a decade and knows jack and shit about anyone who attends the convention, has declared that she has analyzed the situation and come up with the rationale for people wanting to go to Dragon*Con and for not wanting to buy her boycott bullshit.
What she offers is nothing more than the pure garbage she pulls from the emotionally and mentally stunted depths of her own personality and then projects onto others.
And on Stephen Bissette’s (for now open people who are not friends) Facebook page.
“Nancy A. Collins
I am now coming to a better/deeper understanding of what is motivating the rabid DragonCon defenders and who they probably are. There is a large contingent that apparently bases their entire sex & social lives around conventions. *Especially* the sex. And since DragonCon is the largest and least-controlled con on the circuit, where everything short of setting fire to the building can and will be ignored, if not actively condoned, by those in charge, anything that endangers the convention is perceived as a direct attack on Their Way Of Life.
April 25 at 7:49am”
Yeah… That’s got to be it. Of course. Or maybe Nancy is just the biggest full of shit idiot of the year at this point. I’m going with the last one personally.
I’ll start with me. I’m the father of two and husband of one. We go to Dragon*Con as a family and have even had in-laws go along with us. And we’re not the only ones. We have a picture of my son dressed as Spider-Man standing with a family, children, parents, and grandparents, all dressed in the (basically) traditionally designed Spider-Man costume.
We also meet family and friends at Dragon*Con who are local to the area. Most of them, all fans of Dragon*Con, are couples or the typical American household of mom, dad, and 2.4 children.
My kids have played with other kids while waiting in lines for panels while we chat with the other kids’ parents about whatever the panel will be about. As a matter of fact, you can’t swing a foam rubber and latex cosplay sword in any area of Dragon*Con without hitting a couple or a family who came to the convention together. Hell, we were just giving advice to a woman on one of the Dragon*Con Facebook groups the other day as to how best to prepare for this year’s con as she and her husband now have a toddler in tow.
My son and I grabbed a bite in the food court and shared a table with a father and son pair of Storm Troopers and Darth Talon mom.
I have several friends who are cosplayers. They’re either married or have been in relationships for so long now that they may as well be. I’m “Friends” with quite a few on Facebook who are major Dragon*Con fans. Again, they’re almost all married or are currently in longtime relationships.
And you don’t have to just take my word for it.
Couple dresses up for DragonCon
Burnses spend lots of time, money, energy getting look just right
Domestic Goddess lets inner Klingon out
Lawrenceville homemaker competes in ‘Star Trek’ challenge
And you can find even more than that out there. There are Facebook pages and groups, MySpace pages, blogs, and various websites out there where Dragon*Con attendees post their thoughts on the Dragon*Con that they just went to or the upcoming one they’re looking forward to attending. Page after page, group after group and site after site you’ll find posts from couples and families discussing their love for the con.
Dragon*Con is a family event and has been for years now. They have many traks that families are family safe and even have traks specifically for the younger set to enjoy. The idea that Dragon*Con attendees are some mass of relationship challenged freaks who attend the convention with the hopes of getting a rare lay is laughable beyond words. If Nancy had even a shred of integrity or intelligence, she’d be embarrassed by her comments.
Now, are there parties and get-togethers after official event hours? Yes. Are there singles attending who occasionally hook up at these parties or for a part of the weekend? Yes. Does that make Dragon*Con even marginally different than any other multi-day convention or even any vacation location/event not connected to genre fans? Not even close.
But Nancy has to project her own problems and hang-ups onto others when trying to figure things out it seems. She apparently can’t seem to grasp the concept that not everyone has the same issues and hang-ups that she has or has had in the past. She apparently can’t wrap her head around the idea that not everyone is as messed up as she might be.
But then, Nancy is a master at projection. She can’t even understand someone disagreeing with her idiotic crusade without trying to twist the other person into a reflection of her.
No, Nancy, not how my mind automatically works. I don’t do things just so that I can cash in. That’s not my first instinct in situations. That would be you. You know, like how your first instinct all those years ago was to cash in on the suffering and victimization of children by trying to get a deal for your tabloid trash book on the case.
Which reminds me; two questions need to be asked to set the perimeters of the betting pool.
Do we count the time until Nancy announces the attempt to cash in on her temporarily renewed “relevance” and flog the new version of her cash grab book in days, weeks, months or years and does she go small press or self publish through something like Amazon?
Let the betting begin.
(Alternate Title – Why Mindless Conspiracy Theories Are Never A Good Idea)
Well, she didn’t actually say it in those words, but she managed to accidently say it without realizing it. How? It was easy for her. She just slipped into the realm of The Stupid and decided to don her tinfoil hat. Nancy you see has entered into the world of the conspiracy theory. Hey, why not? No facts are required and you can say whatever you want to say about a subject when you visit the Lala Land of Planet Conspiracy.
It’s not even the first conspiracy theory that she’s floated with regards to the entire Kramer fiasco, but it’s certainly the most inadvertently funny.
See, Nancy is of the firm belief that Kramer has been able to dodge justice for all this time because Kramer has had powerful protectors in influential places. Who are these people? She has no idea. What did they have to gain? She has no idea. Is Nancy overdue for some meds? Yeah, she quite probably is.
Here’s Nancy’s trip into the land of the tinfoil hat in all its idiotic glory. Pay particular attention to the middle paragraph.
“Nancy A. Collins posted on 04/01/2013 03:35 PM
@Wrenn_NYC Whatever money Kramer is likely to receive from DragonCon–assuming they finally DO buy him out–will not be his for long. He has a conga line of creditors lined up behind him, including several of the lawyers he’s used and tossed away like Kleenex over the years. And once that money is gone–it’s gone.”
And the DA *has* been trying to prosecute him. Numerous times. Only to be thwarted by various rulings regarding Kramer’s health. Personally, I believe someone far higher up on the political food chain in Georgia was pulling strings for Kramer. Why? Who knows. But whoever they were, they appear to have either died, retired, been voted out of office, or have decided that he’s too big a liability, judging from his current situation.”
BTW, Kramer just got a new criminal attorney two weeks ago–thus delaying his day in court even more. Your DragonCon profits at work.”
Quick aside – I love that last bit. Kramer’s last attorney, Bob Barr, left him for another political run. Kramer therefore needed a new attorney. And this is somehow Dragon*Con profits at work? What, Dragon*Con profits were used to pay a scientist to make a time machine in secret, go back to the founding of our country and ensure that the right to representation was somehow worked into our system to ensure Kramer could get another short delay in his case in 2013? Oh yeah, Nancy is really, really in need of those meds now.
She repeats the conspiracy theory blathering again here.
“Nancy A. Collins says:
04/22/2013 at 6:24 pm
Jon: I am of the opinion one reason Kramer has been able to avoid trial for so long is because someone relatively powerful in Georgia politics pulling strings on his behalf behind the scenes. Why someone would be willing to do something like that is anyone’s guess. Although it would appear whoever it may have been has either died, retired, been voted out of office, or simply decided Kramer was no longer worth the risk, judging from his current situation.”
Now, roll that around in your head for a minute. Do what Nancy apparently doesn’t do and think about what Nancy is really saying here.
Nancy probably thinks she’s creating a wonderful bit of spin and embellishment here designed to create a darker, more sinister, and more corruption filled narrative with regards to the Kramer fiasco in the heads people who she thinks are as shallow in their thought process as she apparently is. But look at what she’s really saying here.
She’s saying that the boycott is now officially irrelevant and basically no longer needed.
Kramer has been, by Nancy’s own version of events, avoiding having to face trial and justice because of highly influential people in places of power and authority. They’ve pulled strings, played cards, and likely cashed in a few favors all to keep Kramer in the clear. Why, that has nothing at all to do with any of the high five-figure to low six-figure dividend payments that Kramer has been getting (in the years he got one) over the last 12 years and, the last time I looked, that’s what the boycott is supposedly all about.
And just look at what else she says with this bit of conspiracy speculation. She says that whoever was helping Kramer to avoid justice is no longer doing so. She says that the strings that were being pulled have been cut and that Kramer is no longer under the protection of the puppet masters who shielded him from justice for the last 12 years. Kramer is now, by her accounting of events, SOL and in it deep. Why, that would mean that Nancy is saying that Kramer is about to face justice no matter what he does or does not get in annual dividends.
Boycott is done, irrelevant, and in need of being put to bed then. The cause of justice is well on its way to being served according to Nancy.
But, apparently, some people are a little swifter on the uptake than Nancy and worked that bit out. A writer for Heidi McDonalds’ website The Beat apparently tries to help Nancy recover from her little oopsie on this one with, well, not very convincing results.
“It’s been said that local politicians have helped keep Kramer out of jail, and Barr certainly qualifies, as Collins pointed out. Also…can this case get any more bizarre?”
The Beat: “It’s been said…”
Yeah, it’s been said by Nancy. That hardly qualifies as a credible source.
The Beat: “Barr certainly qualifies, as Collins pointed out.”
No, he really doesn’t. Nancy throws some “details” out as why she believes that they’re not helping Kramer anymore when she waxes conspiratorial on the matter.
“But whoever they were, they appear to have either died, retired, been voted out of office, or have decided that he’s too big a liability, judging from his current situation.”
“Although it would appear whoever it may have been has either died, retired, been voted out of office, or simply decided Kramer was no longer worth the risk, judging from his current situation.”
How Bob Barr, out of political office since 2003, failed joke Presidential candidate and chronic political party hopper, actually qualifies as a powerful figure in Georgia politics at this point is anyone’s guess, but he certainly doesn’t fit the qualifiers of having died, retired or been voted out of office at a point in time that would explain the current (and finally apparently truly serious at last) treatment of Kramer.
Nice attempt at the save, Beat, but not even close.
But, anyhow, all of you boycott supporters can drop the thing now. Kramer’s protection from justice is gone. He’s up that creek without a paddle and no one who was there with a paddle for him before is currently in the paddle market. Kramer is due to face justice without your efforts. Nancy said so.
Or at least she does until she actually realizes that she did.
And the world feels like it just became a little smaller and more mundane with his passing.
But, oh, just imagine the wonderful new collaborations that are taking shape right now.
This goes out to a certain Dimwitted Moron posting from Los Angeles, California, 90027 with an ISP listing of AT&T U-verse.
Dimwitted Moron, to be called DM from here on out for brevity’s sake, please stop embarrassing yourself. All the other people on the web are not as stupid as you are about how these things work.
You’ve made multiple attempts to post comments on this blog’s threads pertaining to the Dragon*Con boycott going all the way back to A Public Service Announcement for my Friends on Facebook. And, DM, had you been interested in honest discussion they would have been approved.
But you’re not interested in that. No, you just want to make stupid or petty little remarks and post them here while using different names and ridiculously stupid emails for each one. You seem to have forgotten one little detail though. And I almost hate to tell you this since it’ll actually get you to use your brain here. No matter how many names and emails you make up, you’re posting them from the same location. Why does that matter? It matters because you then have the same IP address on each post.
Now, DM, it’s obvious that you’re not too swift on the uptake when it comes to such things. No matter though. Any posting coming from that IP address is now banned. Further, any other future posts using different names and emails but originating from the same IP address will likewise be spammed and banned.
You want to know something, DM? I’d have been fine with you posting under your real name and engaging in honest disagreement with anything that I have written. I’d not only have allowed it, but I would have in fact welcomed it just as I have from others.
But you, DM, seem to want to prove through your posts that you aren’t very bright after all and that you, DM, by using an assortment of fake names and emails rather than just using your real name, have even less guts than you have brains.
So you, DM, your IP address and anyone using your real name are, due to your intellectual cowardice, spammed & banned. And the same will happen to any of your Dimwitted Moron net stooges who try to play the game that you did.
Thank you. Have a nice day.